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Date:         Wed, 21 Jun 1995 19:19:47 EDT
Reply-To:     jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU
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From:         jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU
Subject:      Re: Lojban a Natural language? / Masses, socks, Julius,
              and all that
To:           Veijo Vilva <veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI>
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> I don't think so.  The Lojban PRESCRIPTION is massively incomplete.  But
> one cannot say that the design is incomplete unless I cannot communicate
> with you and get across my point without relying on English-native
> semantic conventions.

We don't really know if we can, we don't have anyone learning Lojban
who doesn't speak English.

> That Jorge and Tobar, native speakers of
> Argentinian Spanish and Croatian, have been able to carry on
> indefinitely long conversations in Lojban,

That's Goran, not Tobar, but mixing up names seems to be a Lojban
tradition by now :).  But we both speak English, so that
doesn't prove much. I have been guilty of many malglicisms when
I felt like making myself understood without trying too hard.

> Moreover, the last couple of years have made me feel that with regards
> to those active people who re-elect me, I represent them
> organizationally but not technically.  After all, Jorge voted for me as
> LLG president, and I haven't had more than a fraction of my posts go by
> unchallenged by him in recent weeks.  That is hard on the ego and
> self-confidence, especially when more people agree with Jorge than with
> me.

Oops, I just read this after answering all those other posts. :)
Of course, most of my posts are challenged as well, which is just
as well because that makes me change my mind about as often as not.
And you can count with my vote again this year too. Shouldn't we
start with some sort of campaign for Logfest, so that people reserve
that weekend from now? When is it, sometime in early August?

Jorge