From @uga.cc.uga.edu:lojban@cuvmb.bitnet Wed Jun 28 22:57:08 1995 Received: from punt3.demon.co.uk by stryx.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA3661 ; Wed, 28 Jun 95 22:57:02 BST Received: from punt3.demon.co.uk via puntmail for ia@stryx.demon.co.uk; Wed, 28 Jun 95 16:31:27 GMT Received: from uga.cc.uga.edu by punt3.demon.co.uk id aa23891; 28 Jun 95 17:30 +0100 Received: from UGA.CC.UGA.EDU by uga.cc.uga.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8905; Wed, 28 Jun 95 12:28:31 EDT Received: from UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UGA) by UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 9187; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 12:14:43 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 12:17:27 -0400 Reply-To: John Cowan Sender: Lojban list From: John Cowan Subject: Re: proposed quant. scope cmavo: xu'u X-To: Lojban List To: Iain Alexander In-Reply-To: <199506272337.TAA22399@locke.ccil.org> from "jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU" at Jun 27, 95 07:36:39 pm Message-ID: <9506281730.aa23891@punt3.demon.co.uk> Status: R la xorxes. cusku di'e > {e} groups the two sumti together. {zo'u} splits them appart. > I think a connective is the right thing to get parallel scope. If not > {e} then one of the non-logical ones. I think the right connective in the prenex is "fa'u", since the whole idea is "Three men A, B, and C touched three dogs a, b, and c respectively. > > >I'm happy with {ci nanmu cu batci ri} (themselves) and {ci nanmu cu batci > > >ro ri} (themselves and each other). > > > > I don't understand how that works. With "ri" alone, why do we know they are > > each biting only themselves and not each other -- or is it merely a > > convenient convention? > > It would be a convention, but I think it is the most coherent one. > (I don't say it is THE convention because I have no idea what is > or whether there is an official position on this matter.) It has never been settled, I don't think, whether ri/ra/ru are de dicto or de re: in other words, does "lo nanmu batci ri" mean "lo nanmu batci vo'a" (de re) or "lo nanmu batci lo nanmu" (de dicto). I lean toward the first interpretation, which is consonant with history. -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org e'osai ko sarji la lojban.