Message-Id: <m0sPWrl-0000YjC@xiron.pc.helsinki.fi>
Date:         Sat, 24 Jun 1995 11:10:19 -0400
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From:         Logical Language Group <lojbab@ACCESS.DIGEX.NET>
Subject:      Re: dying gasp of latest masses thread
To:           Veijo Vilva <veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI>
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>Lojbab:
>> Before we leave Jorge's example, though, I want to note that the clear
>> way to convey that one is conceiving of the red thing as part of a mass
>> which blanu is "la'e ta cu blanu".
>
>??? To me that entails that ta (i.e. {lahe zo ta}) is something that
>has a referent. A blue and red striped ball doesn't have a referent.

Ah, but Jorge's example was of something red (say, on the wall) and
presumably NOT also blue.  But he was conceiving of it as part of a mass
along with something else that is blue.

In that case, saying "la'e ta cu blanu" or "la'e ta cu blanu joi xunre"
are both as correct as "ta cu xunre".

This is the equivalent of pointing to the Statue of Liberty and say
"la'e ta cu ka zifre" or "la'e ta cu merko"

lojbab