From @uga.cc.uga.edu:lojban@cuvmb.bitnet Mon Jun 26 00:24:08 1995 Received: from punt2.demon.co.uk by stryx.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA3593 ; Mon, 26 Jun 95 00:24:07 BST Received: from punt2.demon.co.uk via puntmail for ia@stryx.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Jun 95 15:11:45 GMT Received: from uga.cc.uga.edu by punt2.demon.co.uk id ab13970; 24 Jun 95 16:10 +0100 Received: from UGA.CC.UGA.EDU by uga.cc.uga.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8649; Sat, 24 Jun 95 11:08:44 EDT Received: from UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UGA) by UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 5257; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 11:08:44 -0400 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 11:10:19 -0400 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: dying gasp of latest masses thread X-To: ucleaar@UCL.AC.UK X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Iain Alexander Message-ID: <9506241610.ab13970@punt2.demon.co.uk> Status: R >Lojbab: >> Before we leave Jorge's example, though, I want to note that the clear >> way to convey that one is conceiving of the red thing as part of a mass >> which blanu is "la'e ta cu blanu". > >??? To me that entails that ta (i.e. {lahe zo ta}) is something that >has a referent. A blue and red striped ball doesn't have a referent. Ah, but Jorge's example was of something red (say, on the wall) and presumably NOT also blue. But he was conceiving of it as part of a mass along with something else that is blue. In that case, saying "la'e ta cu blanu" or "la'e ta cu blanu joi xunre" are both as correct as "ta cu xunre". This is the equivalent of pointing to the Statue of Liberty and say "la'e ta cu ka zifre" or "la'e ta cu merko" lojbab