Return-Path: <@SEGATE.SUNET.SE:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0sUedg-0000ZCC; Sat, 8 Jul 95 21:30 EET DST Message-Id: Received: from segate.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v0.1a) with SMTP id D42FBDC1 ; Sat, 8 Jul 1995 20:21:10 +0200 Date: Sat, 8 Jul 1995 14:22:37 EDT Reply-To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Sender: Lojban list From: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Subject: Re: lu'o X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 744 Lines: 20 > I don't know the difference you are seeing between > "lu'o mu zumri" and "(piro) lei mu zumri" I understand {lu'o mu zumri} to be "some mass of five corns" while {lei mu zumri} is "the mass of five corns that I have in mind". Much the same difference as between {lo zumri} and {le zumri}. > I see them as being the same regardless of what "mu zumri" means, except > for the added flavor of veridicality. The main difference to me is specificity (or determinacy, whichever is the right word). Veridicality is just a cosequence of that. > In any event, defining "mu zumri"="lu'o mu zumri" is recursive and > doesn't help if we can't agree what the latter means. The definition would be {lu'o mu lo zumri} if that's what we wanted. Jorge