Received: from PSUVM.PSU.EDU (psuvm.psu.edu [128.118.56.2]) by locke.ccil.org (8.6.9/8.6.10) with SMTP id VAA17977 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 21:22:05 -0400 Message-Id: <199508090122.VAA17977@locke.ccil.org> Received: from PSUVM.PSU.EDU by PSUVM.PSU.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9554; Tue, 08 Aug 95 21:18:52 EDT Received: from PSUVM.PSU.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@PSUVM) by PSUVM.PSU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 4430; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 21:18:41 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 21:18:56 EDT Reply-To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Sender: Lojban list From: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Subject: Re: quantifiers X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan Status: OR X-From-Space-Date: Tue Aug 8 21:22:09 1995 X-From-Space-Address: <@PSUVM.PSU.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> djer: > ro lu'a goi ko'a lo'i ci nanmu ku ro lu'a goi ko'e > lo'i ci gerku ku zo'u tu'e ko'a pencu ko'e > > Fo each of the individuals, ( aliased as it1) of the set of three men; for > each of the individuals, (aliased as it2) of the set of three dogs, it1 > touches it2. I agree with that, except I would use "a set" instead of "the set" both times, since there is no unique set of three dogs or men. > These sentences are not put forth as models in > conciseness. The usual relation between precision and prolixity is in > force. Yes, but that doesn't help us determine what the concise {re nanmu cu pencu re gerku} means. Does it mean what you have up there, or does it get the nested scope meaning? We don't want to leave it ambiguous like its English counterpart. > ro lu'a lo'i re nanmu ku goi ko'a re lu'a lo'i ro gerku ku goi ko'e > zo'u tu'e ko'a pencu ko'e That's the second possible meaning, and that's the one we seem to have agreed is the most useful for {re nanmu cu pencu re gerku}. Jorge