Return-Path: <@SEGATE.SUNET.SE:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0se2R5-0000ZHC; Thu, 3 Aug 95 18:43 EET DST Message-Id: Received: from segate.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v0.1a) with SMTP id 252D7364 ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 17:43:45 +0200 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 11:39:55 -0400 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: lu'a X-To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 1207 Lines: 24 The lu'a series has two origins. One was as a solution for the multiple connectives problem: how do you for example specify a 4 term XOR - pc found that by the time you got to 4 terms that Lojban's grammar did not generate all possible truth-table combinations without repetition and rearranging. But the tough ones could all be expressed using the form "1 from the set {a,b,c}} and 2 from the set {d,e,f}". Hence lu'a. Then the others were added as a way to disambiguate conversion among sets, masses and indivudals. I can't remember the archetype of this, but it may have been the multiple interpretations of mi'o, do etc as individuals or masses. This was almost certainly after Lojban List started and hhence may be in the archives. Failing any clear history, my guess is that pc is right because we labelled them "converters" - they are supposed to take what is inside and 'convert' it to a different form. Of courrse thhe question of whether this is the most useful interpretation is open to disscussion. The important thing for me is that the original purpose of lu'a be preserved, and if we determine the original reason for the other converters, then they also must be preserved. lojbab