Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 14:16:19 +0000 (METDST)
From: Goran Topic <topic@STUDENT.MATH.HR>
Subject: Re: bridi conn & Nicholas tapes
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> > > > While listening to the Nicholas Tapes (just got to Goran singing the
> > > > Lojbo-Croat anthem amidst a drunken revel),
> > > Can I get a copy? I'll pay for shipping and handling.
> >
> > I have them only on loan, &, having myself been involved in research
> > projects involving recorded conversations, I know that the recordees
> > can sometimes be rather touchy about distribution. So I leave it to
> > Nick.
 
.i TU'a mi na NABmi fi LA'eDI'u .i to ko CATlu DE'e MU'i TU'a lo MUKti
be LEnu MI se BASna CISka lo ROmei pe DEI pe MI
 
> > It is fascinating hearing different spoken Lojban styles. Nik begins
> > every utterance with {i}, uses {si si si si} and then races ahead
> > a mile a minute while you're trying to remember what the fifth word
> > back was, does lujvo on the fly, and has a stumbling-conversational
> > fluency in Lojban roughly equivalent (but certainly not inferior)
> > to what I had in French after 5 hours a week for 5 years of high school
> > - that is, one can converse, but with great intellectual effort and
> > hesitation.
 
.i la nitCION. cu JU'o NA nalBIRti DENpa CASnu .i PE'i KO'a goi NY. na
DJUno leDU'u MA SMUni zo DENpa vau ZO'o .i ZU'unai mi NITcu LEnu
tceJUNdi KO'a MU'i LEnu DJIca co JIMpe KO'a .iKU'i CUMki fa RI
 
> > Colin is not as fluent, but could understand Nick, which
> > tells you how brainy Colin must be. Ivan speaks faster than Nick, if
> > that is possible (but he only spoke a bit, and he may have been reading
> > aloud). Goran has the clearest diction (or at least his spoken Lojban
> > sounds like I'd imagined it would sound before I heard any).
>
> According to some, people from Goran's part of the world have the
> best Esperanto accents, and since Lojban and Esperanto have practically
> the same phonemes, it sounds reasonable that Goran would have a good
> Lojban pronounciation. Perhaps we should decree Goran's pronounciation
> to be the norm for Lojban :).
 
.i KI'e ROdo .i SO'a lei SANce pe la LOJban. cu SIMsa . SI DUNli lei
SANce pe LE mi BANgu .i LA'ezo XY. .e LA'ezo .Ybu .e LA'elu DENpabu LI'u
.Enai lo DRAta NA'e CMIma LE'i BANgu be MI SANce .iVA'i la LOJban. le
BANgu be MI cu PANra leGO'i PO'o .i FADni ZA'a MI
 
> Something that I noticed that lojbab and I do different is in the stress
> of strings of cmavo. For example, in saying {le nu}, lojbab seemed to
> stress {le}, and I always stress {nu}. I don't remember noticing what
> Chris did, so he might do the same I do. Or in {remei}, lojbab stresses
> {re} and I stress {mei}. On the other hand, we probably both stress
> {re} in {re le broda}. Can you tell how Nick et al handle this from
> the tapes?
 
.i DI'u DANfu leDU'u KI'u maKAU mi se BASna CISka RO le TI SELmri .i mi
ZGAna loDU'u mi CENba LEka BASna maKAU fo LE'i FRIca SELsku .i MU'a mi
CUSku lu RO le TI SELmri LI'u .eKU'i LE mi BANgu li'u NO'i mi FADni
CUSku lu REmei LI'u .eKU'i lu so'Imei LI'u .Abo lu SO'imei LI'u .e .IE
lu RE le BROda LI'u .e lu LEnu LI'u noi zo LE cu ZMAdu zo NU fo li SO'u
.i mi GRAdu CImei ZA'a BASna GI'e se BASna je TO'e se BASna CISka le
SLAka poi se BASna RUBle .i SO'a RI pavySLAka CMAvo RU'a MU'u lo CMAvo
BE zo .A .E zo NOI .E zo .I
 
> > It also struck me that there's a need for **echo** wh-questions, for
> > when one can't hear a word or doesn't know it. {kie} is too unspecific
> > and {ma} & co. do a different job. So, if anyone's listening, how
> > about a cmavo like {kau} that marks a {ma}-word as an echo question?
>
> Well, there's {ke'o}, but that's a COI:
>
> -- mi klama le zarci
> -- i ke'o do'u do klama ma?
>
> Or how about {maki'a}?
>
> -- i do klama maki'a?
 
.i .I'e mi NELci
 
> Jorge
 
CO'o MI'e GOran. poi TATpi LEnu se BASna CISka
 
--
 //       le ka misno cu zasni       \\
|| .i ku'i le ka tolterju'o cu vitno  ||
 \\       .i co'o mi'e. goran.       //