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Date:         Tue, 26 Sep 1995 22:02:55 EDT
Reply-To:     jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU
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From:         jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU
Subject:      Re: coi za'e jboterymri
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And:
> > i ju'ocu'i  i zo cei flalu se pilno fi tu'a zo broda  i ku'i pe'i
> > le do selcusku cu se jimpe
> ma se pilno fi le nu cusku le simsa zo pou a zo nou gie ciksi skicu
> lo valsi be lo selbri?

i mi na djuno  i cumki fa le nu zo cei banzu  i ku'i pe'i dukse te pilno

> > > do cao katna le mokca a le bae tcemlinalmokca - oinaipei?
> > i ie i'a/i'anaise'i
> peu cao mockatna

i u'i lu ca'o mockatna li'u mi do cmene xu?

> i mi na narselpluka i do xamgu se tsapi

i ckire  i a'o la'e di'u zabna ve skicu

> Even under my construal of {zao}, it remains a fairly good rendering
> of "still". But, as you said, it would be nice to have translations
> for both "still" and "already" that incorportate notions of
> "expected start" and "expected end". Maybe you could use a lujvo?
> {pajcfa}, {pajfao}? Or {ue}?

I would much rather have a ZAhO.

{ue} by itself doesn't say much: Is it surprize that it's already
going on, that it is still going on, or that it is simply going on
at all?

I don't think the lujvo are quite that, either. A surprize start is
one thing, maybe even fully expected by the speaker.

Jorge