Return-Path: <@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from kantti.helsinki.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0suyYU-0000ZOC; Tue, 19 Sep 95 12:01 EET DST Received: from fiport.funet.fi (fiport.funet.fi [128.214.109.150]) by kantti.helsinki.fi (8.6.12+Emil1.1/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA27140 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 12:01:28 +0300 Received: from CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (MAILER@CUNYVMV2) by FIPORT.FUNET.FI (PMDF V5.0-3 #2494) id <01HVGK270USW000NRY@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> for veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 12:02:26 +0200 (EET) Received: from CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@CUNYVM) by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 6457; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 05:01:01 -0400 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 10:01:46 -0300 (BST) From: Don Wiggins Subject: Re: drata vs. frica Sender: Lojban list To: Veijo Vilva Reply-to: Don Wiggins Message-id: <01HVGK27P046000NRY@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 732 Lines: 23 >Cube1 is different from cube2 :: This would be expressed by the gismu . > >Suppose I then painted one cube red and the other blue > >Cube1 is different from cube2 in property color :: This would be expressed >by the gismu Is this expressed as: .i le pamei kubli le remei kubli cu frica le ka skari The first cube differs from the second cube in the property of colour. How does this differ from: .i le pamei kubli le remei kubli cu drata *le ka skari The first cube is other than the second cube by the standard of the propery of colour. Is it valid to use the property colour as the standard for difference? I think the crux of this problem is related to the meaning of the x3 place. co'o mi'e dn.