Return-Path: <@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from kantti.helsinki.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0sxESt-0000ZOC; Mon, 25 Sep 95 16:25 EET Received: from fiport.funet.fi (fiport.funet.fi [128.214.109.150]) by kantti.helsinki.fi (8.6.12+Emil1.1/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA12474 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 16:25:01 +0200 Received: from CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (MAILER@CUNYVMV2) by FIPORT.FUNET.FI (PMDF V5.0-3 #2494) id <01HVP93J1SI8000YMY@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> for veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 17:26:03 +0200 (EET) Received: from CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@CUNYVM) by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 7246; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 10:24:25 -0400 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 15:22:21 -0300 (BST) From: Don Wiggins Subject: Mu Sender: Lojban list To: Veijo Vilva Reply-to: Don Wiggins Message-id: <01HVP93J536A000YMY@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1194 Lines: 24 > > "Mu" means 'I deny the premise of your question', i.e. I don't beat my wife > > (the set of events of I beating my wife is null). Mu as I read about it > > is supposed to be of Oriental origin and would be the appropriate response > > to .i piro loi pavyjirna cu blanu vau > > > Except to say that _piro loi pavyseljirna_ probably has no > presuppositions, the massification of the empty set is probably just the > empty mass.. It is almost certainly not blue, however. Aha! To disprove ".i piro loi pavyseljirna cu blanu", one must needs to come up with a counterexample - where is this unicorn which is not blue? ;-) There is an inherent problem with proving assertions (hypotheses?) of this nature. The Medieval example was "All swans are white". The scholar would 'prove' this by reasoning that since no one had ever seen a swan that was not white, it was true that all swans are white. Many years pass. Australia is discovered, along with the orange beaked, black swans native to that continent. The counter-example annihilates the assertion. The presupposition that I imagine goes with _piro loi pavyseljirna_ is that there is at one least one unicorn. co'o mi'e dn.