Return-Path: <@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from kantti.helsinki.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0sx9Ag-0000ZOC; Mon, 25 Sep 95 10:45 EET Received: from fiport.funet.fi (fiport.funet.fi [128.214.109.150]) by kantti.helsinki.fi (8.6.12+Emil1.1/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA20200 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 10:45:43 +0200 Received: from CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (MAILER@CUNYVMV2) by FIPORT.FUNET.FI (PMDF V5.0-3 #2494) id <01HVOX7YAZ4W0010T3@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> for veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 11:46:29 +0200 (EET) Received: from CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@CUNYVM) by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 5643; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 22:05:33 -0400 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 22:04:33 -0400 (EDT) From: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Subject: Re: direction, dimension Sender: Lojban list To: Veijo Vilva Reply-to: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Message-id: <01HVOX8J6TBU0010T3@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1436 Lines: 37 And: > > As for {nerfa'a}, I'm not sure what it is. What kind of object > > fills the x1 of {farna}? > I think it should be a destination - the location x2 would reach > if x2 were moving. Ok, that does make sense. Now, what is the direction in which a pen lead is rigid? > > Well, {cimde} gives me similar difficulties. I don't really know > > what to put in the x1. How do you say "this is two-dimensional"? > {ti relmemselcimde}, {ti se cimde be re da}? Yes, well, what are the two dimensions of a circle, for example? I could understand a gismu that meant "x1 is x2-dimensional", but I don't think that it makes any sense to say that there are exactly two (or three) things that are the dimensions of some object. Could you list those two or three things for a given object? > You're the physicist. You do everything in 13 dimensions. So you > should be able to sort it out. Or maybe that's why you can't. Maybe... :) Actually, I wasn't thinking of higher dimensions as the problem. Even in one, two or three dimensions, I'm not sure what to put in the x1 of cimde. Etymologically, "dimension" must mean something like "measurement", but I don't think that helps much. If we take it literally, then any object can have an infinite number of them. It makes sense to say that an object is two-dimensional. It makes almost no sense to say that there are exactly two things that are the dimensions of an object. Jorge