Received: from uga.cc.uga.edu (uga.cc.uga.edu [128.192.1.5]) by locke.ccil.org (8.6.9/8.6.10) with SMTP id OAA12075 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 14:20:50 -0400 Message-Id: <199509041820.OAA12075@locke.ccil.org> Received: from UGA.CC.UGA.EDU by uga.cc.uga.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 2354; Mon, 04 Sep 95 14:08:59 EDT Received: from UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UGA) by UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 0812; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 14:09:00 -0400 Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 14:08:46 EDT Reply-To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Sender: Lojban list From: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Subject: Re: Names X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan Status: OR X-From-Space-Date: Mon Sep 4 14:20:52 1995 X-From-Space-Address: <@uga.cc.uga.edu:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> la djer cusku di'e > mi du la'e la djer: > I am the referent of the name, djer. That's not quite right. You can either say {mi du la djer} or {mi du la'e zo djer}. i la djer cu prenu gi'enai valsi i zo djer cu valsi i la'e zo djer cu prenu > I'm not sure these say what xorxes wants, but there should be a way. Saying {mi du la xorxes} to me is like saying {ta du lo mlatu} instead of {ta mlatu}. It is not that it is wrong, it just doesn't sound like normal Lojban, it looks like the worst calque from English, translating "is" as {du}. The idea of using {zei} is just an underhanded way of creating a predicate out of a name, by combining it with something semantically empty, that doesn't add anything extra. Otherwise, the name can't be used as a predicate by itself. Jorge