Received: from uga.cc.uga.edu (uga.cc.uga.edu [128.192.1.5]) by locke.ccil.org (8.6.9/8.6.10) with SMTP id BAA07414 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 01:19:09 -0400 Message-Id: <199509150519.BAA07414@locke.ccil.org> Received: from UGA.CC.UGA.EDU by uga.cc.uga.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 3626; Fri, 15 Sep 95 01:03:40 EDT Received: from UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UGA) by UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 4491; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 01:00:31 -0400 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 00:04:42 +0100 Reply-To: "Steven M. Belknap" Sender: Lojban list From: "Steven M. Belknap" Subject: why lojban To: John Cowan Status: OR X-From-Space-Date: Fri Sep 15 01:19:11 1995 X-From-Space-Address: <@uga.cc.uga.edu:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Goran Topic gives four reasons: 1) as a linguistic plaything, or weights for a mental gym 2) proof/disproof of Sapir-Whorf hypothesis 3) communtication with AIs and machine translation 4) international language I would add a fifth reason: As an influence on the future evolution of natlangs, particularly English. I really hated BASIC when I first was programming, but really liked PASCAL, APL, SmallTalk and LISP. Yet BASIC survived and evolved, influenced by PASCAL and other structured languages. Visual Basic is similar in conception to smalltalk. I am more optimistic about reason 4 than Goran, in part because I think reason 3 might be the "killer app" that encourages the use of something like lojban. If computers become fluent english speakers and listeners, then they will force something like lojban on us to limit ambiguity, methinks. I've always had a much easier time learning math than language, but I'm slogging through the lessons. Don't be disheartened by all the chit-chat about language redesign. Much of the language seems essentially unchanged from earlier versions and even from Loglan, its parent. It would be helpful if there was some more discussion about those areas where there is concensus. Could there be somethinglike this on the email list? -stivn Steven M. Belknap, M.D. Assistant Professor of Clinical Pharmacology and Medicine University of Illinois College of Medicine at Peoria email: sbelknap@uic.edu Voice: 309/671-3403 Fax: 309/671-8413