Received: from PSUVM.PSU.EDU (psuvm.psu.edu [128.118.56.2]) by locke.ccil.org (8.6.9/8.6.10) with SMTP id XAA25114 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 23:08:45 -0400 Message-Id: <199509170308.XAA25114@locke.ccil.org> Received: from PSUVM.PSU.EDU by PSUVM.PSU.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4083; Sat, 16 Sep 95 21:49:21 EDT Received: from PSUVM.PSU.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@PSUVM) by PSUVM.PSU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 0785; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 19:30:04 -0400 Date: Sun, 17 Sep 1995 00:29:42 +0100 Reply-To: ucleaar Sender: Lojban list From: ucleaar Subject: some gismu queries X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan Status: OR X-From-Space-Date: Sat Sep 16 23:08:48 1995 X-From-Space-Address: <@PSUVM.PSU.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Some queries on some gismu. (1) Why do so many gismi have a conditions sumti, when we (quite rightly) have {va'o}? Let all conditions sumti be deleted. I reckon if this was put to a vote there'd be an overwhelming majority in favour. Same for {ma'i} replacing by-standard places, etc. I remember Jorge & others having made the same point, but I forget if there's any good argument against it. (2) Is jdari jar firm 'hard' x1 is firm/hard/resistant/unyielding to force x2 equivalent to {tinsa fe [inwardly]}? tinsa stiff x1 is stiff/rigid/inflexible/resistant in direction x2 against force x3 (3) Is there a difference between: kavbu kav capture 'catch' x1 captures/catches/apprehends x2 with trap/restraint x3 pinfu pif prisoner 'captive' x1 is a prisoner/captive of x2, restrained/held by means/force x3; Or, more specifically, is {kavbu} {x1=p1=k2 pifcoa x2=p2=k1 x3=p3 tahi k3}? --- And