Return-Path: <@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from kantti.helsinki.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0sxAnl-0000ZOC; Mon, 25 Sep 95 12:30 EET Received: from fiport.funet.fi (fiport.funet.fi [128.214.109.150]) by kantti.helsinki.fi (8.6.12+Emil1.1/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA16087 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 12:30:19 +0200 Received: from CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (MAILER@CUNYVMV2) by FIPORT.FUNET.FI (PMDF V5.0-3 #2494) id <01HVP07RF71C000ZB4@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> for veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 13:23:14 +0200 (EET) Received: from CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@CUNYVM) by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 5806; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 14:13:53 -0400 Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 14:12:16 -0400 (EDT) From: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Subject: Re: Beginners question (was: Re: coi za'e jboterymri) Sender: Lojban list To: Veijo Vilva Reply-to: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Message-id: <01HVP0MH63PG000ZB4@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 985 Lines: 30 la kir cusku di'e > Trying to read (and understand :-) some lojban posting I have found this: > > > i le do se ciska na mutce nitcu le nu cikre i ku'i lo do lojbo zirpu ki'a > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > I haven't found this pattern in The Draft Reference Grammar. :-( I think that is because this would be explained in the paper about relative clauses, which is not yet done. I think John Cowan will have it ready any time now, right John? :) > I guess it is equal to {le se ciska be do}. Am I right? Almost. It is usually equal to that, but the general definition is that it is equal to {le se ciska pe do}: "the writing that is associated with you". Probably the one you wrote, but possibly the one written on you, or about you, etc. > And if yes, does the way to do the same thing with x3 etc. exists? There is a way to be precise, but it is longer: {le pe fe do se ciska}, {le pe fi do se ciska}, etc. {le fe do se ciska} is not grammatical, for some reason. Jorge