Return-Path: <@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from kantti.helsinki.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0sx9lC-0000ZOC; Mon, 25 Sep 95 11:23 EET Received: from fiport.funet.fi (fiport.funet.fi [128.214.109.150]) by kantti.helsinki.fi (8.6.12+Emil1.1/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA29340 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 11:23:38 +0200 Received: from CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (MAILER@CUNYVMV2) by FIPORT.FUNET.FI (PMDF V5.0-3 #2494) id <01HVOY7ZRJGG000ZB2@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> for veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 12:18:11 +0200 (EET) Received: from CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@CUNYVM) by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 6824; Fri, 22 Sep 1995 12:19:50 -0400 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 12:37:15 -0400 From: John Cowan Subject: Re: quantifiers In-reply-to: <199509220013.UAA22890@locke.ccil.org> Sender: Lojban list To: Veijo Vilva Reply-to: John Cowan Message-id: <01HVOYCTOXI6000ZB2@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-To: Lojban List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 641 Lines: 17 la pycyn. cusku di'e > The argument goes that we have somehow gotten to the point where _ro da > poi broda_ = _ro lo broda_ = _ro broda_ and, since the first of these is > given as having existential import, all the rest do too. And I, on the other hand, believe that the three expressions are equivalent and NONE of them has existential import; that nothing quantified with "ro" (or "no", which is its dual) has existential import. (I believe that jimcs also believes this.) What are the arguments against this viewpoint? -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org e'osai ko sarji la lojban.