Message-Id: <199509251406.KAA26574@locke.ccil.org>
Date:         Mon, 25 Sep 1995 13:39:12 BST
Reply-To: Don Wiggins <dwiggins@BFSEC.BT.CO.UK>
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From: Don Wiggins <dwiggins@BFSEC.BT.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: translation exercises:1
To: John Cowan <cowan@LOCKE.CCIL.ORG>
Status: OR

coi pitr.

OK, here's my attempt at the sentences:

> 1-1. Translate into Lojban:
> a.  The dog is man's best friend.
.i loi gerku ku cu traji le ka pendo loi remna ku kei

> b.  What time is it?
.i ma cu tcika

> c.  The weather is hot.
.i le tcima ku cu glare

> d.  Amethyst is a valuable stone.
.i le jmerametista ku cu kargu kunra
{If one does not know a word is it legitimate to make up a le'avla on the fly.
What about using zircanjme (purple sand/silica gem)?}

> e.  Turn the screw to the left.
.i ko cu cargau le klupe ku fo *le ma'u farna ku
{How does one say in the positive direction?}

> > I vaguely recall us discussing this on the list once before. I or
> > someone pointed out that "widdershins"/"withershins" (="anticlockwise")
> > means going round something with one's left side nearest to it
> > (it's the wrong way to walk round a graveyard, and has various other
> > sinister connotations).
> > This seems like a good convention to me. But what should the lujvo
> be {zul(ter)carna} = anticlockwise & {prit(ter)carna} = clockwise?
> I think, according to dikyjvo rules:
> zulcarna        x1 levogirates around axis x2 facing x3
>                 c1=z2 c2 (c3=z1) z3
> zultercarna     x1 is the anticlockwise direction of giration
>                 around x2 by x3 which faces x4
>                 t1=z1 t2 t3=z2 z3

In trigonometry the positive direction of anti-clockwise is derived from the
convention of drawing the axes of graph with the origin at the bottom left,
the increasing x goes to the right and increasing y goes up the page.  Angles
subtended at the origin begin at the x axis at 0 and increase to +90 at the y
axis and on round.  Perhaps + and - should be use for rotation.

> 1-2.  Translate into English:
> a.  ta cu b[a]lji nazbi ko'a
This is the bulbous nose of his.

> b.  le tergu'i ku cu navni
The light [source] contains neon.

> c.  la makdonaldz. cu gusta le festi ku
McDonalds' is a restaurant serving waste.
{I do not think that this has negative connotations.  I could interpret this
as the McDonalds' chain are going ecological and serve offal to eco-minded
customers.  "malfesti" would be good for the derogatory sense.}

> d.  ti cu muzga la cakla ku
This is the museum of Chocolate.

> e.  doi marca. .i me do cu prami
Marsha, something pertaining to you loves.
{OK, I know "me" should be "mi", but you are saying Marsha has an aspect of
love}

ki'e mi'e dn.