Received: from PSUVM.PSU.EDU (psuvm.psu.edu [128.118.56.2]) by locke.ccil.org (8.6.9/8.6.10) with SMTP id EAA07236 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 04:40:49 -0400 Message-Id: <199509020840.EAA07236@locke.ccil.org> Received: from PSUVM.PSU.EDU by PSUVM.PSU.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2107; Sat, 02 Sep 95 04:28:59 EDT Received: from PSUVM.PSU.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@PSUVM) by PSUVM.PSU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 7588; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 04:28:44 -0400 Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 01:25:11 -0700 Reply-To: Gerald Koenig Sender: Lojban list From: Gerald Koenig Subject: Re: Names X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan Status: OR X-From-Space-Date: Sat Sep 2 04:40:55 1995 X-From-Space-Address: <@PSUVM.PSU.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Veion quotes xorxes: >> but I would prefer to use something other than {me'e}. I don't want >> the predicate to mean "x1 is called 'Veijo'", but rather "x1 is Veijo". My thought: fa du la'e la Veijo x1 equals the referent of Veijo, or: da du la'e la Veijo, this gets the existence claim with da, at least one x exists, and it equals the referent of [the name, from la] Veijo, or ti dacti du la'e la Veijo, this object is the referent of the name Veijo. mi du la'e la djer: I am the referent of the name, djer. Assuming mi means "I", that is. pc mentioned that it only means that by convention, not definition. Sometimes the main Whorfian effect I get from lojban is frustration at not being able to say what I want, as apparently xorxes does in this example. I'm not sure these say what xorxes wants, but there should be a way. djer >> {me'e} brings out the name aspect too much. Other possibilities >> to consider: >> Jorge > >