Return-Path: <@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from kantti.helsinki.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0stStG-0000ZLC; Fri, 15 Sep 95 08:00 EET DST Received: from fiport.funet.fi (fiport.funet.fi [128.214.109.150]) by kantti.helsinki.fi (8.6.12+Emil1.1/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA24498 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 08:00:40 +0300 Received: from CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (MAILER@CUNYVMV2) by FIPORT.FUNET.FI (PMDF V5.0-3 #2494) id <01HVAQH7VA9C000AF9@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> for veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 08:01:35 +0200 (EET) Received: from CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@CUNYVM) by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 3692; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 00:59:54 -0400 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 00:04:42 +0100 From: "Steven M. Belknap" Subject: why lojban Sender: Lojban list To: Veijo Vilva Reply-to: "Steven M. Belknap" Message-id: <01HVAQH8FDLI000AF9@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1491 Lines: 35 Goran Topic gives four reasons: 1) as a linguistic plaything, or weights for a mental gym 2) proof/disproof of Sapir-Whorf hypothesis 3) communtication with AIs and machine translation 4) international language I would add a fifth reason: As an influence on the future evolution of natlangs, particularly English. I really hated BASIC when I first was programming, but really liked PASCAL, APL, SmallTalk and LISP. Yet BASIC survived and evolved, influenced by PASCAL and other structured languages. Visual Basic is similar in conception to smalltalk. I am more optimistic about reason 4 than Goran, in part because I think reason 3 might be the "killer app" that encourages the use of something like lojban. If computers become fluent english speakers and listeners, then they will force something like lojban on us to limit ambiguity, methinks. I've always had a much easier time learning math than language, but I'm slogging through the lessons. Don't be disheartened by all the chit-chat about language redesign. Much of the language seems essentially unchanged from earlier versions and even from Loglan, its parent. It would be helpful if there was some more discussion about those areas where there is concensus. Could there be somethinglike this on the email list? -stivn Steven M. Belknap, M.D. Assistant Professor of Clinical Pharmacology and Medicine University of Illinois College of Medicine at Peoria email: sbelknap@uic.edu Voice: 309/671-3403 Fax: 309/671-8413