Return-Path: <@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from kantti.helsinki.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0su6gW-0000ZLC; Sun, 17 Sep 95 02:30 EET DST Received: from fiport.funet.fi (fiport.funet.fi [128.214.109.150]) by kantti.helsinki.fi (8.6.12+Emil1.1/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA04792 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 1995 02:30:11 +0300 Received: from CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (MAILER@CUNYVMV2) by FIPORT.FUNET.FI (PMDF V5.0-3 #2494) id <01HVD7I6NG9S000GNL@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> for veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI; Sun, 17 Sep 1995 02:31:05 +0200 (EET) Received: from CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@CUNYVM) by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 8165; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 19:29:39 -0400 Date: Sun, 17 Sep 1995 00:28:56 +0100 From: ucleaar Subject: backchannels Sender: Lojban list To: Veijo Vilva Reply-to: ucleaar Message-id: <01HVD7I6RTK2000GNL@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1323 Lines: 33 Jorge: > > la djan spuda la and di'e > > > On the same topic, what would you use for a backchannel, like "right, > > > yeah, mhm" etc.? (I.e. stuff the addressee says while the speaker's > > > talking.) So far I'm happiest with {.a'a}. Ije loi dahi nu koa mi se bacru kei mi se xarkae. > > > Nothing in COI seems an obvious choice. {je'e} seems > > > the best, but my cmaste says it has a specialized usage of > > > acknowledgement, which is different from backchanneling. > > "je'e" is indeed the Right Thing; it specifically "acknowledges the > > successful reception of a communcation" (the attitudinal paper). > > What do you understand by "acknowledgement" other than this? > The cmavo list says: > je'e COI roger vocative: roger (ack) - negative acknowledge; > used to acknowledge offers and thanks I thought that description implies it's like a "thank you:you're welcome"/ "danke:bitte"/"grazie:prego" response. This is, as Jorge says, not the same thing as a mhm/uhuh backchannel: > Also, it would be nice to have a more gracious way of replying > to "thank you" than "mhm". Of course, it has to be somewhat > idiomatic, but I still haven't found a nice way to do it. Well, we could use {je'e} in the cmaste sense, and for backchannels use {aa} or another UI that fits the context. --- And