Return-Path: <@segate.sunet.se:LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@BITMAIL.LSOFT.COM> Received: from segate.sunet.se by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0sxRgJ-0000ZPC; Tue, 26 Sep 95 06:31 EET Message-Id: Received: from listmail.sunet.se by segate.sunet.se (LSMTP for OpenVMS v0.1a) with SMTP id D61DEA55 ; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 5:31:47 +0200 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 22:09:48 -0400 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: Beginners question (was: Re: coi za'e jboterymri) X-To: slobin@FEAST.FE.MSK.RU X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 723 Lines: 16 >> i le do se ciska na mutce nitcu le nu cikre i ku'i lo do lojbo zirpu ki'a > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >I haven't found this pattern in The Draft Reference Grammar. :-( >I guess it is equal to {le se ciska be do}. Am I right? >And if yes, does the way to do the same thing with x3 etc. exists? Yes. "le do te tavla" is your topic of discussion; le do xe klama is your means of transport. The equivalent is "le se ciska/te tavla/xe klama *pe* do - i.e. there is no requirement that the "do" be in x1 of the selbri. If you NEED to be specific about the relationship of "do", you CAN make a preposed relative clause, but even I need to check the syntax in the YACC grammar so as to recall what terminators are needed. lojbab