Return-Path: <@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from kantti.helsinki.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0steR3-0000ZLC; Fri, 15 Sep 95 20:20 EET DST Received: from fiport.funet.fi (fiport.funet.fi [128.214.109.150]) by kantti.helsinki.fi (8.6.12+Emil1.1/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA27065 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 20:20:21 +0300 Received: from CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (MAILER@CUNYVMV2) by FIPORT.FUNET.FI (PMDF V5.0-3 #2494) id <01HVBGBBGHIO000DYJ@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> for veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 20:21:17 +0200 (EET) Received: from CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@CUNYVM) by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 9546; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:18:20 -0400 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:09:17 -0400 (EDT) From: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Subject: Re: why lojban Sender: Lojban list To: Veijo Vilva Reply-to: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Message-id: <01HVBGBBZXKM000DYJ@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1146 Lines: 26 la stivn cusku di'e > Don't be disheartened by all the > chit-chat about language redesign. Much of the language seems essentially > unchanged from earlier versions and even from Loglan, its parent. The talk about scopes and existentialism (er.. I mean... existential import) has not been so much about redesign as about interpretation of what we already have. In any case, it is actually pretty irrelevant to the actual use that has been made of the language. It is almost impossible to find a sentence in the existing corpus that would be interpreted differently under one view or the other of the existential import of {ro}. As for scopes, it is also difficult to find an example where it matters. The reason being that most of the time there is at most one sumti in the sentence that has an interesting quantifier, and then the question of subordination simply does not arise. > It would > be helpful if there was some more discussion about those areas where there > is concensus. Could there be somethinglike this on the email list? Sure. You can start a discussion on anything you like, and usually you will get a response. Jorge