Return-Path: <@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from kantti.helsinki.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0surBi-0000ZOC; Tue, 19 Sep 95 04:09 EET DST Received: from fiport.funet.fi (fiport.funet.fi [128.214.109.150]) by kantti.helsinki.fi (8.6.12+Emil1.1/8.6.5) with ESMTP id EAA04441 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 04:09:29 +0300 Received: from CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (MAILER@CUNYVMV2) by FIPORT.FUNET.FI (PMDF V5.0-3 #2494) id <01HVG3K1RZTC000NWZ@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> for veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 04:10:26 +0200 (EET) Received: from CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@CUNYVM) by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 2487; Mon, 18 Sep 1995 21:08:58 -0400 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 21:08:19 -0400 (EDT) From: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Subject: Re: .i zo frica zo drata cu frica ma Sender: Lojban list To: Veijo Vilva Reply-to: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Message-id: <01HVG3K1YCOY000NWZ@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 874 Lines: 17 > Hi, > Can anyone tell me the semantic difference between "frica" and "drata" - > there two seem to mean the same thing to me. I think they are the same too. One can make an artificial distinction, in saying for example that two things can be "other" without being "different", for example two identical objects. But it is all a matter of degree, after all, two identical objects will at least be different in position, or something like that, otherwise how do we know they are "other". From that perspective, it would seem that {drata} is a more absolute or intrinsic relationship, and {frica} a more relative and subjective one. In other words, you could disagree with someone on how different two things are, but you would agree that they are either other or one and the same thing. But I don't know. The same goes for their opposites {dunli} and {mintu}. Jorge