From LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU Mon Oct 23 20:09:32 1995
Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by locke.ccil.org (8.6.9/8.6.10) with ESMTP id UAA08602 for <cowan@LOCKE.CCIL.ORG>; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:09:30 -0400
Message-Id: <199510240009.UAA08602@locke.ccil.org>
Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id FCE9FF74 ; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:02:47 -0400
Date:         Mon, 23 Oct 1995 19:51:43 EDT
Reply-To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU
Sender: Lojban list <LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET>
From: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU
Subject:      Re: perfective counting & katna
To:         lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu
Status: OR

And:
> > > > > uenai lo dakfu gau la djudit cu katna lo stedu be la xolofernes
> > > > i xu lo'e cnebo cu pagbu lo stedu
> > > pehi na gohi
> > i pau gau la djudit cu katna lo stedu ji lo cnebo?
> gau la djudit tahi le katna cu sepstedu xy

i seja'ebo gau dy katna le xy cnebo iepei?

> >  mi co'a citka le plise  --> I start eating the apple
> > should be the same as:
> >  mi co'a ku citka le plise
> > and therefore
> >  mi citka le plise co'a ku
> > and therefore
> >  mi citka le plise co'a da ku
> But {coa citka} is a kind of tanru. {coa} alters the meaning of
> the selbri, like {toe} but unlike, say, {na} or {pu}. I agree with
> you both as far as {na} and {pu} are concerned, but see little
> basis for deciding what the meaning of ZAHO as sumtcita shd be.

A better comparison might be with BAI. {broda bai <sumti>} is essentially
{bai broda} but with an extra place, in this case for the compeller.

In the same way, {broda co'a <sumti>} is essentially {co'a broda}
with an extra place, for the starting point.

Jorge