Return-Path: Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0t5gGB-0000ZOC; Wed, 18 Oct 95 23:42 EET Message-Id: Received: from listmail.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 84B9132E ; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 22:42:50 +0100 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 16:26:33 -0400 Reply-To: John Cowan Sender: Lojban list From: John Cowan Subject: Re: Qs: VhVhV & PAPAMEI &c. X-To: Lojban List To: Veijo Vilva In-Reply-To: <199510172244.SAA03227@locke.ccil.org> from "ucleaar" at Oct 17, 95 11:30:48 pm Content-Length: 1726 Lines: 57 la .and. cusku di'e > (1) In trisyllabic cmavo, e.g. {laaa}, {la'a'a}, is the stress > {laAa} or {lAaa}? Or can it be either? Stress within cmavo is free. > (2) Is {re re mei} a suivla meaning "two pairs", or is it a sentence > meaning "there is a twenty-two-some"? The latter. > Either way, what does one add > to get the right bracketing? {re boi re mei}? Yes. > (3) Given that (i-ii) are synonymous ("Not every person's a man") > > i. na nanmu fa ro prenu > ii. ro prenu cu na nanmu > > ["Every person is not a man" = {ro prenu na ku nanmu}] > > I'd have thought iii-iv shd also be synonymous > > iii. koa ba klama pu ku > iv. pu ku koa ba klama > > But according to the tense paper iii-iv differ. Is there a > rationale to this? The desire to have "puku" not a mere synonym for "pu zo'e", but rather a semantic equivalent of a selbri tcita that can float around the bridi. > (4) Can anyone remind me what the technical name is for the > constituent that complements LE (e.g. the bracketed constituent > in {le [speni be la lojbab]})? A "sumti-tail" according to the grammar, although the term is rarely used (jimc calls it an "S-bridi" if I remember correctly). > (5a) What do VI, ZI, VEHA & ZEHA used as sumtcita mean? As of now (nobody having proposed a formal change AFAIK), VI and ZI indicate the reference point from which the bridi-event is said to be so-and-so-much distanct in space or time respectively; VEhA and ZEhA haven't been prescribed. > (5b) What was the upshot of the discussion of a while ago about > how to specify exact extents for VI, ZI, VEHA & ZEHA? Beats me. -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org e'osai ko sarji la lojban.