Return-Path: Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0t2jaN-0000ZWC; Tue, 10 Oct 95 20:39 EET Message-Id: Received: from listmail.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 9529340D ; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 19:39:31 +0100 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 12:58:14 EDT Reply-To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Sender: Lojban list From: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Subject: Re: tenses X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 1063 Lines: 26 la goran la lojbab di'e spuda > > I would claim that co'u citka le plise never occurred, but certainly an > > event of eating the apple did start. > > .ue.ienai > I would be very hard pressed to find an event that sa'e has no end. In > the apple case here, na nu mo'u citka, but certainly nu co'u citka. I > can't visualise a person forever eating the same apple. I think lojbab meant to say that mo'u citka le plise never occurred. Of course, as a practical matter, if someone starts eating an apple, that event almost certainly will stop at some point, whether or not the apple gets to be completely eaten. But that is just a practical consideration of this particular case, it is not implied by {co'a}. > su'a I can't > visualise a person doing anything forever, even past his death, and past > the destruction of the earth some billions of years later, and past the > Gnab Gib itself if that theory proves to be correct... zo'o How about a person doing {morsi}? Can't you visualise {ko'a co'a morsi}, without ever there being a {ko'a co'u morsi}? Jorge