Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by locke.ccil.org (8.6.9/8.6.10) with ESMTP id SAA22251 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 18:02:33 -0400 Message-Id: <199510252202.SAA22251@locke.ccil.org> Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id DD18C8AD ; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 17:57:50 -0400 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 21:25:44 +0000 Reply-To: ucleaar Sender: Lojban list From: ucleaar Subject: Re: rel clause paper X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan Status: OR X-From-Space-Date: Wed Oct 25 18:02:36 1995 X-From-Space-Address: LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU > > 4. Is there any way for a relative to be part of a name? I could > > address you by {doi xirma}, but could I address you by {doi xirma > > poi ci da tuple kea}, without asserting that you have 3 legs, just > > as I wouldn't be asserting that you are a horse? > Distinguo. To get what you want, you would use "voi", which is to > "le" as "poi" is to "lo". But that is not a name per se; it is a > description, as it were, in the vocative case, like "o puella" in > the elementary Latin textbooks. That's not quite what I meant. I want your name to be "xirma poi ci da tuple kea". I.e. {doi lao ly. xirma poi ci da tuple kea ly.} rather than {doi lao ly xirma ly poi ci da tuple kea ly}. > But using an inside-the-ku relative with a "la" makes it possible to > have real names which contain relative clauses: > 1) la nanmu poi terpa le ke'a xirma ku > Man Afraid Of His Horse > vs. > 2) la nanmu ku poi terpa le ke'a xirma > the person named "Man" who is afraid of his horse. > I will add a section to the paper explaining this. Yes, this is what I was after. Now, is (1) possible with a cmevla instead of "nanmu", as in: 3) la frederik poi terpa le kea xirma ku Frederick-afraid-of-his-horse like "Ethelred the Unready", "John Lackland", or "John Smith" for that matter - or "John Johnson", "John Cowan"? --- And