Message-Id: <199510161943.PAA07231@locke.ccil.org>
Date:         Mon, 16 Oct 1995 15:20:35 EDT
Reply-To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU
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From: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU
Subject:      Re: Imperatives
To: John Cowan <cowan@LOCKE.CCIL.ORG>
Status: OR

> >        ei roda punji lei ri cukta le jubme
> >        Everybody put their books on the table.
>
> but no cigar for this one :-)
>
> I think this is closer in meaning to "All of you, put your books on the
 table."
> in that the "everybody" is referring to the second person plural.

But that would be "Everybody, put your books on the table." Or can "their" be
a second person pronoun in English? I agree that they are very close in meaning.

> .i piro ko punji lei ri cukta le jubme
>
> Is this pro-sumti mass or individual?

I think all personal pro-sumti are mass, but I'm not sure whether everybody
agrees with me, probably not. (You can also use {do} here instead of {ri}.)

> Is this the same as
>
> .i roko punji lei cukta le jubme

I would understand {roko} as a short form of {ro lu'a ko}, since otherwise
it isn't really needed. Similarly {re do} would be {re lu'a do}, etc.

Jorge