Return-Path: Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tAVfz-0000ZRC; Wed, 1 Nov 95 07:25 EET Message-Id: Received: from listmail.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 4C5F2D1B ; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 6:25:27 +0100 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 00:17:05 -0500 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: gismu history X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 912 Lines: 21 And wrote: >It's surprising that none of them could better the eventual system. >Jorge's idea is clearly superior. Further, perhaps some of the >requirements really were unimportant, or at least not so important that >the system had to be as cumbersome and complicated and antimnemonic as >it has ended up being. Not all that surprising. Even in 1979, relearning was an issue for JCB and other Loglanists who were active. I don't think they looked too hard at approaches that would redesign the gismu. After all, they were already redoing every single lujvo and fu'ivla. Arguing about the appropriateness of some of the requirements was something we did not consider. As for cumbersome and complicated - the current system is a paragon of elegance compared to what went before, which had non-unique rafsi, no special fu'ivla space, and basically resulted in everyone having to memorize all lujvo. lojbab