Return-Path: Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tFYvk-0000ZTC; Wed, 15 Nov 95 05:54 EET Message-Id: Received: from listmail.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id ECFC9B87 ; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 4:54:36 +0100 Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 22:53:23 -0500 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: stress and le du'u X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 896 Lines: 24 >Subject: Re; Good Clarifying Question And: >I'm skeptical that we hear the difference between "du'u" and "DU'u". >Further, {du'u} can be stressed "du'U", in which case it will be >ambiguous up to that point. I said "le,DU'u, not just DU'u. You are correct that "du'U might be a valid stress in some utterances, but it can cause problems. If it precedes a gismu, then final stress on the cmavo before the gismu requires a pause before the gismu. IMHO this spoils the rhythm of the language in fluent speech - it just doesn't sound right, though I will certainly know the words. >> With the exception of "bau", I can't think of any common cmavo >> which I have heard often in lujvo, and "bau" is one for which >> there is no meaning ambiguity. > >Also {cai} and {rai}, which are like {bau}. I said *common* cmavo - those I have yet to notice in speech or text. bau gets USED. lojbab