Message-Id: <199511210419.XAA20648@locke.ccil.org>
Date:         Tue, 21 Nov 1995 05:06:53 MET
Reply-To: Goran Topic <topic@STUDENT.MATH.HR>
Sender: Lojban list <LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET>
From: Goran Topic <topic@STUDENT.MATH.HR>
Subject:      PROPOSAL: kelci place structure
To: John Cowan <cowan@LOCKE.CCIL.ORG>
Status: OR

CURRENT LANGUAGE:

kelci is defined as

kelci kel     kei  play
x1 [agent] plays with plaything/toy x2
9c 116    [play game (= ci'erkei), play competitively (= jvikei)];
(cf. jivna, jinga, zdile)


PROPOSED CHANGE:

correct the definition to

kelci kel     kei  play
x1 [agent] plays x2 with plaything/toy/props x3
9c 116    [x2 is activity (event) or name of the game;
play game (= ci'erkei), play competitively (= jvikei)];
(cf. jivna, jinga, zdile)


RATIONALE:

Not all games involve props, much less are defined by them.
"I play with dice" does not identify a game, as there are many dice games.
"I play the Star Trek drinking game" can only be translated as
{mi kelci le la tarci pluta ku kinpau velvei ku joi loi vanju
"I play role-playing games" is currently impossible to express.

co'o mi'e. goran.


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