Return-Path: Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tGW5H-0000ZTC; Fri, 17 Nov 95 21:04 EET Message-Id: Received: from listmail.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 5A17E3E9 ; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 20:04:23 +0100 Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 06:21:39 -0500 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: loglan reform conlangs X-To: ucleaar@UCL.AC.UK X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 927 Lines: 20 >> The impact that I hope we have most had on the conlang world is that: >> thoroughness of design has become a minimum criterion for success. >Success by what standard? Attracting more than a dozen followers? >Being a respect-worthy conlang? Survival - being remembered by more than their inventor 20 years after the fact (other than by the conlang collectors association %^). Laadan has barely survived for example, because it is lacking in detail except in the "interesting" areas of the language that she covered in the first book. Most conlangs end up be a lexicon with a couple of grammar rules and otherwise rely on your native language or Esperanto to resolve the unspecified issues (because the inventors are often too linguistically unaware to REALIZE that there are other issues - witness Glosa - which has atrtacted a following of more than 12, but will be dead as a doornail in some number of years). lojbab