Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by locke.ccil.org (8.6.9/8.6.10) with ESMTP id QAA28590 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 16:33:13 -0500 Message-Id: <199511102133.QAA28590@locke.ccil.org> Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 82738443 ; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 17:29:10 -0400 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 21:09:22 +0000 Reply-To: ucleaar Sender: Lojban list From: ucleaar Subject: Re: rel clause paper X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan Status: OR X-From-Space-Date: Fri Nov 10 16:33:15 1995 X-From-Space-Address: LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU fe die xe cusku fa la djan > > Is it legitimate for one to ask for a means of doing what I > > asked about? > Well, with my proposed reading of "me" (or even without it, really) > you can say: > la me la djan. tumclaxu > which means "The one named 'The one named "John" type-of > land-lacker". Suit? Not satisfactory. I think of "Alfred the Great", "Dai Jones the Bread", etc. A relative clause/phrase is part of the name. If I use the name, I'm not claiming that Alfred was great, or that Dai Jones is associated with the bread. Perhpas {la tumclaxu pou la djan}, {la banli pou la alfred}? {la pou la alfred (geu) banli}? --- And