Return-Path: Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tCySI-0000ZTC; Wed, 8 Nov 95 02:33 EET Message-Id: Received: from listmail.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id AC826B52 ; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 1:33:30 +0100 Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 20:02:53 +0000 Reply-To: ucleaar Sender: Lojban list From: ucleaar Subject: phonology X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 977 Lines: 20 lojbab > So this may or may not help. If the [B] you are referring to is a > strident or continuent, it should be mapped as /v/; if it is a stop > and/or non-strident it should be mapped as /b/. If it overlaps these > two categories or some of the others mentioned above, then it is not a > single Lojban phoneme at all, and will probably be mapped differently by > different speakers. >From context it is clear that the [B] under discussion is a voiced bilabial fricative, IPA beta. (Small cap B is voiced bilabial trill.) I wouldn't be happy to classify phones in terms of stridency. Phonologically, if there were a /B/ v. /v/ contrast, /B/ wd be nonstrident and /v/ strident. /B/ wd also be continuant. In English, [B] gets heard as /b/ or /v/, depending on context - la[B]our = labour, but fa[B]our = favour. Lojban will be the same, unless there is an explicit rule making [B] an allophone of /v/ or /b/ - I understand that it is an official allophone of /v/. --- And