Return-Path: Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tI18a-0000ZWC; Wed, 22 Nov 95 00:26 EET Message-Id: Received: from listmail.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 218DE0FC ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:22:16 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 18:14:15 +0000 Reply-To: ucleaar Sender: Lojban list From: ucleaar Subject: Re: scalar polarity X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 1960 Lines: 59 Jorge: > > > I prefer: > > > je'ucai [= almost 100% true] > > > je'u(sai) > > > je'uru'e > > > je'ucu'i > > > je'unairu'e > > > je'unai(sai) > > > je'unaicai [= almost 0% true] > > It's better to have the same cmavo at the start of each, I guess, > > but why {jeu}? Isn't {jeu} in UI? What's needed is rather something > > in NA, no? > {je'u} is in UI, yes, and I think that's the right place for this. > {xu} is also in UI, and {je'u} and its variations seem like the > natural answer to the "true?" question. I had forgotten this. I sort of accept your argument that if {xu} is in UI then {jeu} & its kin are legitimately in UI. > {ja'a} and {na} say that a relationship holds or doesn't hold. The > adornments on them don't change that. {naru'e} would mean "almost", > which is to say that the relationship doesn't hold, even though it is > close to. Right. > On the other hand, the {je'u} series gives truly fuzzy or indeterminate > or fractional truth values, Right. > which seems to be a different thing from what the NAs do. In this > case there is no definite answer as to whether the relationship does > or does not hold, so {ja'a} and {na} don't really help. This bit I don't see. Of course "50% true/false" is different from {jaa} and {na}, but I don't see why it doesn't belong in the same paradigm. Maybe pc and Steve have views on that. > > Could {jeu} be moved into NA? If not, {naa} is unassigned > > in my maoste. > I have: > >> na'a BY1 cancel shifts cancel all letteral shifts I've never known what all those shifts do. I checked another maoste and I do have {naa} there. > but in any case, I think UI is the right place for the answers to {xu}. Fair enough, but surely {na} and {jaa} are okay as answers to {xu}, and they're in NA. But at any rate, an attraction of {jeu} + CAI is that it's already grammatical, so the only change we need ask for is NA + CAI and NAhe + CAI. --- And