From cowan Sat Mar 6 22:57:50 2010 Subject: Re: buffer vowel To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu (Lojban List) From: cowan Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 12:25:35 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <199511251351.IAA06695@locke.ccil.org> from "Logical Language Group" at Nov 25, 95 08:38:20 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1108 Status: OR X-From-Space-Date: Mon Nov 27 12:25:35 1995 X-From-Space-Address: cowan Message-ID: la lojbab. cusku di'e > I had been guessing that a voiceless bilabial trill was akin to a > voiceless "Bronx cheer"/"raspberry", and I can't imagine how to do one > of those voicelessly %^) (much less multiple times in a sentence). > Maybe my image of a "trill" is incorrect. Almost. A razzberry (we've discussed the spelling before) is an ejective voiceless bilabial trill, because it uses only the air already trapped in the mouth. A plain voiceless [B] would be something like [p], but releasing the airstream in a sputter rather than smoothly. In any event, ejective is incompatible with voicing AFAIK. (Some razzberries are ejective voiceless interdental trills, to be sure.) > I'd be surprised if someone hasn't invented a joke conlang with /belch/ as a > phoneme. Hmm. Voiceless belch. Belchal fricative. Yep, I've heard > these before! Moundsbar has the voiced snore, but as far as I know not the belch. In any event, belches are neither voiced nor voiceless, but use the "pseudo-voice" used by people with laryngectomies. -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org e'osai ko sarji la lojban.