Return-Path: Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tEUzL-0000ZTC; Sun, 12 Nov 95 07:29 EET Message-Id: Received: from listmail.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id BE96D545 ; Sun, 12 Nov 1995 6:29:55 +0100 Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 00:30:18 -0500 Reply-To: John Cowan Sender: Lojban list From: John Cowan Subject: Re: rel clause paper X-To: Lojban List To: Veijo Vilva In-Reply-To: <199511102133.QAA28590@locke.ccil.org> from "ucleaar" at Nov 10, 95 09:09:22 pm Content-Length: 844 Lines: 20 mi joi la .and. cusku be di'e casnu > > la me la djan. tumclaxu > > which means "The one named 'The one named "John" type-of > > land-lacker". Suit? > > Not satisfactory. I think of "Alfred the Great", "Dai Jones the > Bread", etc. A relative clause/phrase is part of the name. If > I use the name, I'm not claiming that Alfred was great, or that > Dai Jones is associated with the bread. Perhpas {la tumclaxu pou > la djan}, {la banli pou la alfred}? {la pou la alfred (geu) banli}? I accept your formulation, but I don't understand why you reject mine. I am constructing a name-tanru with two parts, >me la .alfred.< 'is Alfred' and >banli< 'is great', in parallel. It could equally well be "la banli me la .alfred. [ku]" -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org e'osai ko sarji la lojban.