Return-Path: Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tBOAV-0000ZSC; Fri, 3 Nov 95 17:36 EET Message-Id: Received: from listmail.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 00E64F1B ; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 16:36:35 +0100 Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 10:05:07 -0500 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: Think Again, Lojbab X-To: MarkLVines@EWORLD.COM X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 3078 Lines: 52 For obvious reasons due to length, i will have to read your posting offline in order to respond to it in greater detail. I will address the first point though. 1. I save all postings that I receive, and especially Minilesson replies. Comments that come with minilesson replies get read fairly immediately. 2. Athelstan, who wrote the minilesson 4 years ago, was severely injured in an auto accident shortly thereafter. He never wrote up a set of answers, and no one else has done so either. We thus have no answer key and thus cannot QUICKLY evaluate minilesson replies. 3. These days I am grossly overcommitted. I skim incoming email and reply to things that catch my immediate attention. The rest gets captured and I again skim things offline with the intent of doing a careful read later. I am running over a year behind in my email backlog, so right now that is a black hole. I simply do not have time to support every Lojbanist who sends email to me, and rely on people to ask questions and get answers from the list insofar as is possible. This is a serious regret for me, because I do feel some responsibility to the community, but I am a human being with too many limits on my Lojban time. 4. By direction of the membership at the last several LogFests, my Lojban prioirties are limited to getting the Lojban books out and doing what is necessary to maintain the organization. I am not doing well at those rather limited tasks, and keep farming jons out to people in order to try to get back on top of the job. Snail mail orders these days are running as long as a year late as well, and some of those people have paid money to us. Thus I cannot in good conscience put a lot of time into an email query that does not come with a paid order for our materials. (I should say that MOST orders are not a year in being processed, but one order has been backlogged that long, and my priority at the moment is in getting the rest of them that I have paper mail orders for caught up. Email orders of course are buried in my email backlog. 5. Theoretical debates about how the language SHOULD have been designed are interesting in their own way, but for better or for worse the language is essentially done, and arguing for radical change is a purely intellectual exercise. having gone through the process of reinventing Lojban once in the split from JCB, I am reasonably sure that no one will want to repeat that effort in order to make what would inevitably be small technical improvements. Several person-years of effort have gone into the language design, and while novice Lojbanists often ask intriguing questions about what might have been, very seldom do we get questions that cause us to even seriously worry about whether we made the right choices. If this comes across as a dismissal, I am sorry. Your comments WILL be read. But having said that you are a Lojban novice, I hope that you will acquire a bit more mastery of the language, at which point you may or may not come to feel that the flaws in the language design are indeed minor. lojbab