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Date:         Wed, 29 Nov 1995 12:52:41 GMT
Reply-To:     Don Wiggins <dwiggins@BFSEC.BT.CO.UK>
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From:         Don Wiggins <dwiggins@BFSEC.BT.CO.UK>
Subject:      remoi la'elu spofu fonxa
To:           Veijo Vilva <veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI>
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coi.

Nick has joined us in the game.  I am starting a new round with a text from
Paulo, using the following order:

| 1.  Paulo          barreto%velahf@eccsa.tr.unisys.com
|       | lojban
| 2.  Don            dwiggins@bfsec.bt.co.uk
|       | English
| 3.  Nick           nnich@leon.nrcps.ariadne-t.gr
|       | lojban
| 4.  Cyril          slobin@FEAST.FE.MSK.RU
|       | Russian
| 5.  Ivan           IAD@BGEARN.BITNET
|       | lojban
| 6.  Iain           I.Alexander@bra0125.wins.icl.co.uk
|       | English
| 7.  Goran          topic@STUDENT.MATH.HR
|       | lojban
| 8.  Chris          cbogart@netcom.com
|       | English
| 9.  And            ucleaar@ucl.ac.uk
|       | lojban
| 10. Dylan          dpt@MATH.BERKELEY.EDU
|       | English
| 11. Jorge          jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU
|       | lojban
|       V

This puts those at near the end last time, near the start.  The hopefully the
two rounds won't crash into each other :-)

Again, if there are any beginners out there who would like practise translating
lojban into their native language, contact me with your details (name; email
address; native, fluent and other languages).

|
| le poi selcme lu spofu fonxa li'u ku'o selkei
|
| The following description is the game that I will call 'Broken Phone'.  This
| will distinguish it from 'Chinese Whispers' which works on the same
| principle but is the English-only.  This game allows intermediate languages
| that are not English.
|
| The initiator of the game selects a passage in English, a list of players
| and the intermediate languages.  The initiator translates the passage into
| lojban and sends it, along with the list of players and the languages, to the
| person next on the list.  All subsequent players translate the passage into
| the specified language and pass it along to the next player.  When the
| last player completes their translation we compare the outcome with the
| original.
|
| When one receives the text: translate the passage, send to the next person on
| the list, cc it to the initiator.  The initiator will give a summary at the
| end.
|
| And suggests allowing oneself about a week to do the translation.
| Unfortunately, this game is more fragile than Chinese Whispers in that if one
| person is unable to manage a translation the chain will be broken, but that
| is the price to be paid for being on the leading edge.
|
| I feel that having players translate into their native language, especially
| if they are only learning lojban, will be much easier than attempting a
| translation to English.  Hence, I will leave out Klingon for the time being,
| unless it is explicitly wanted (I think that going through Klingon is likely
| to have some very strange effects).  The task of translating non-native
| language into lojban is not as taxing as the reverse process.
|
| The players are:
|
| Name    Address                             Native        Fluent     Other
| ----    -------                             ------        ------     -----
| And     ucleaar@ucl.ac.uk                   English                  Italian
| Goran   topic@STUDENT.MATH.HR               Croatian      English
| Don     dwiggins@bfsec.bt.co.uk             English                  Spanish
| Chris   cbogart@netcom.com                  English                  Spanish
| Iain    I.Alexander@bra0125.wins.icl.co.uk  English
| Jorge   jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU               Spanish       English    French
|                                                           Esperanto
| Dylan   dpt@MATH.BERKELEY.EDU               English                  French
| Ivan    IAD@BGEARN.BITNET                   Bulgarian(?)  English    Russian
| Cyril   slobin@FEAST.FE.MSK.RU              Russian       English    German
|                                                                      Esperanto
| Paulo   barreto%velahf@eccsa.tr.unisys.com  Portuguese    English    German
|                                                           Spanish    Italian
|                                                           Esperanto  French
| Nick    nnich@leon.nrcps.ariadne-t.gr       English       Greek      French
|                                                           Esperanto  German
|                                                           Klingon    Latin
|
| Everyone is assumed to be proficient in lojban.  One's native language is the
| most desirable target for translation, followed by the fluent languages.  The
| other languages are appropriate only as the source of translation into lojban.
|
| An example order is:
|
<See above>
|
| If there is anyone who is interested in joining the chain, just send me your
| details (name; email address; native, fluent and other languages) and I will
| re-post this information to the list at regular intervals.
|
| co'o
|
| Don Wiggins dwiggins@bfsec.bt.co.uk
|