Return-Path: Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tIiG9-0000ZUC; Thu, 23 Nov 95 22:28 EET Message-Id: Received: from listmail.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 1F7DBC79 ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 21:28:41 +0100 Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 20:25:03 +0000 Reply-To: ucleaar Sender: Lojban list From: ucleaar Subject: Re: logical issues (lambda,ka, man-dogs, etc.) X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 781 Lines: 23 John to xorx: > > Lojban makes no distinction between his "individuals" and "stages": > > {mi se cmene zo xorxes} and {mi klama le zarci} use the same {mi}, > > even though the first is mi the individual and the second is only a > > stage of mi the individual. > Poof. In fact, "mi se cmene zo xorxes" became true only when you joined > the Lojban community. No. I vociferously dispute that. "koa se cmene zo xorxes" is an eternal truth, *every* truth being eternal. > All claims are about stages; some stages may last as long as the > individual does. That seems to make sense. The stage- and individual- level distinction is blurry, and the same thing can be alternately construed as either. > To think otherwise is a residue of essentialism. What's essentialism? --- And