Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by locke.ccil.org (8.6.9/8.6.10) with ESMTP id PAA21936 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 15:38:22 -0500 Message-Id: <199511232038.PAA21936@locke.ccil.org> Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 35DF5425 ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 16:28:40 -0400 Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 20:25:03 +0000 Reply-To: ucleaar Sender: Lojban list From: ucleaar Subject: Re: logical issues (lambda,ka, man-dogs, etc.) X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan Status: OR X-From-Space-Date: Thu Nov 23 15:38:27 1995 X-From-Space-Address: LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU John to xorx: > > Lojban makes no distinction between his "individuals" and "stages": > > {mi se cmene zo xorxes} and {mi klama le zarci} use the same {mi}, > > even though the first is mi the individual and the second is only a > > stage of mi the individual. > Poof. In fact, "mi se cmene zo xorxes" became true only when you joined > the Lojban community. No. I vociferously dispute that. "koa se cmene zo xorxes" is an eternal truth, *every* truth being eternal. > All claims are about stages; some stages may last as long as the > individual does. That seems to make sense. The stage- and individual- level distinction is blurry, and the same thing can be alternately construed as either. > To think otherwise is a residue of essentialism. What's essentialism? --- And