Return-Path: Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tHGsr-0000ZUC; Sun, 19 Nov 95 23:02 EET Message-Id: Received: from listmail.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 354CF15D ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 22:02:40 +0100 Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 16:00:18 -0500 Reply-To: Jorge Llambias Sender: Lojban list From: Jorge Llambias Subject: Re: scalar polarity X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu, jorge@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 1345 Lines: 44 And: > > > For indeterminate, fuzzy: > > > nanaicai near 1.0 [...] > > > jaanaicai near 0 > > > - these are less satisfactory, but they're a start. > > I prefer: > > je'ucai > > je'u(sai) > > je'uru'e > > je'ucu'i > > je'unairu'e > > je'unai(sai) > > je'unaicai > It's better to have the same cmavo at the start of each, I guess, > but why {jeu}? Isn't {jeu} in UI? What's needed is rather something > in NA, no? {je'u} is in UI, yes, and I think that's the right place for this. {xu} is also in UI, and {je'u} and its variations seem like the natural answer to the "true?" question. {ja'a} and {na} say that a relationship holds or doesn't hold. The adornments on them don't change that. {naru'e} would mean "almost", which is to say that the relationship doesn't hold, even though it is close to. On the other hand, the {je'u} series gives truly fuzzy or indeterminate or fractional truth values, which seems to be a different thing from what the NAs do. In this case there is no definite answer as to whether the relationship does or does not hold, so {ja'a} and {na} don't really help. > Could {jeu} be moved into NA? If not, {naa} is unassigned > in my maoste. I have: >> na'a BY1 cancel shifts cancel all letteral shifts but in any case, I think UI is the right place for the answers to {xu}. Jorge