Return-Path: Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tKDnO-0000ZUC; Tue, 28 Nov 95 02:21 EET Message-Id: Received: from listmail.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 441CBD48 ; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 1:21:11 +0100 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 19:19:02 -0500 Reply-To: Jorge Llambias Sender: Lojban list From: Jorge Llambias Subject: Re: TECH: lambda and "ka" revisited X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu, jorge@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 1237 Lines: 37 la djan la and di'e spuda > > I think I get it. > > > > lo suu broda kei be lo ganxo > > > > is equivalent to > > > > lo ganxo poi kea duu broda > > lo duu broda kei poi kea ganxo > > No, I don't think so. It's the asshole-abstraction of something-unspecified > being a thingummy, whatever that is. Then what exactly is the role of the x2 of su'u? There exists an asshole (whose?) that is in relationship {su'u broda kei} with what? If the what is not itself the asshole, then what is it, and how does the asshole come into it? > But it is not necessarily itself an > asshole: "le nu broda kei cu na fasnu" can be true, although not by your > reading of "nu". {le nu broda cu su'u broda kei lo fasnu}, i.e. there is an event that is in relationship {su'u broda kei} with the event {le nu broda}. If that is so, what event is that {lo fasnu}, if not {le nu broda} itself? > > - Or? Since a bridi is not a fasnu, or a ganxo, or whatever, these would > > always fail to refer, unless used with a nonveridical gadri. > > A bridi is not a fasnu, a ckaji, a klani, ... either. What is a bridi, exactly? Is a bridi a chunk of text or is it a proposition? Should I say {le du'u broda cu bridi} or {lu broda li'u bridi}? Jorge