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Date:         Thu, 2 Nov 1995 17:13:01 EST
Reply-To:     jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU
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From:         jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU
Subject:      Re: Phonology Paper Released
To:           Veijo Vilva <veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI>
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> > by, cy, etc are pro-sumti, not the names of the letters of the alphabet.
>
> Sort of.  They are names of letters which have a grammatical use as pro-sumti.
> They are also used as numerical variables and in other ways.

Are they ever used as names? This could cause confusion, how can you
tell whether you are talking about the letter or using it as a pronoun?

> > >   It is not generally possible to express, in Lojbanized
> > > names, the sound caused by an adjacent consonant [r] and a syllabic [l`],
 or
> > > vice versa, without adding an adjacent vowel.
> >
> > I don't understand this comment. Does it mean that for example {brlgan.}
> > is not a legal Lojban name? It doesn't seem more difficult than many other
> > ugly clusters.
>
> It is legal, but its pronunciation is dubious:  is "l" or "r" the syllabic
> consonant?

I would say "l", because "br" is a legal initial and "lg" is not, but in any
case, if the name is legal then I don't understand the comment. If you add
an adjacent vowel the consonant will not function as a vowel, so how does
that help?


> > Why does Lojban make [B] a variant of "v" rather than of "b"?
>
> Ya got me, Jack; I didn't make the rules.

Is this rule inherited from Loglan? I definitely don't like it.

Jorge