Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by locke.ccil.org (8.6.9/8.6.10) with ESMTP id IAA11653 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 08:27:09 -0500 Message-Id: <199511141327.IAA11653@locke.ccil.org> Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 086BB896 ; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 9:21:24 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 13:22:52 GMT Reply-To: Don Wiggins Sender: Lojban list From: Don Wiggins Subject: Re: pointing To: John Cowan Status: OR X-From-Space-Date: Tue Nov 14 08:27:15 1995 X-From-Space-Address: LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU coi do The nominations for pointing: > mi degbasna le blanu stizu This is straight-forward, but I think there is a connotation of selection when basna is used; something like there are number of chairs and I am emphasising one in particular with my finger. It's not quite point. > mi jarco sepi'o lemi degji leka farna le blanu stizu mi Technically on the nose, but I prefer the lujvo version "mi jarcyselpi'odegykamfa'a le blanu stizu" :-) > la'e lemi degji cu farna le blanu stizu This makes the appropriate claim that my finger indicates the direction of the chair, but it is not an agentive action. mi fa'agau la'e lemi degji le blanu stizu Perhaps, if the place structure is right. We also get mi fa'agau for the elided method and object. mi snigau lemi degji le blanu stizu This does not require the de-reference, so I think it is the most succint. Such an apparently simple concept is quite elusive in lojban. This was also the first thing I tried to write in lojban :-( co'o mi'e dn.