Return-Path: LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@vms.dc.LSOFT.COM Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE (segate.sunet.se [192.36.125.6]) by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA06421 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 13:12:13 +0200 Message-Id: <199512081112.NAA06421@xiron.pc.helsinki.fi> Received: from listmail.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id E06A8CBE ; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 12:12:15 +0100 Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 06:11:23 -0500 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: ma'i - a standard for standards X-To: hazel@TURING.CS.STEDWARDS.EDU X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 702 Lines: 12 The answer specifically on colors is that there was no agreement as to what makes a color defined to be a particular color - whether it was a standard, or a comparison - whether it was subjective or objective. The standard place was used when we had definite reason to believe that the predicate was subjective, and thus that there might be substantial inconsistency among evaluators as to whether a statement was "true" or "false" UNLESS you made reference to a standard. When the standard place is necessary to assign even the most basic meaning needed to evaluate truth, then the standard place is "metaphysically necessary", which is the requirement for inclusion in the place structure. lojbab