Return-Path: LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@vms.dc.LSOFT.COM Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE (segate.sunet.se [192.36.125.6]) by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA22014 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 19:38:49 +0200 Message-Id: <199512121738.TAA22014@xiron.pc.helsinki.fi> Received: from listmail.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 8A78C306 ; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 18:38:49 +0100 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 12:39:58 -0500 Reply-To: John Cowan Sender: Lojban list From: John Cowan Subject: Re: 2Re: CPE: la DAOdeiJIN X-To: Lojban List To: Veijo Vilva In-Reply-To: <199512121603.LAA05573@locke.ccil.org> from "Ivan A Derzhanski" at Dec 12, 95 09:23:34 am Content-Length: 816 Lines: 21 la .iVAN. cusku di'e > (Add any consonant or consonant cluster to the end to make it a cmene > -- preferably something that doesn't occur in syllable-final position > in Chinese, so that it will be immediately identified as a cmenifier. > That means anything other than {-n} and {-ng}. "-r" is a bad idea too. > I suppose {-s} is OK; > I wonder, though, if the final could be chosen depending on the tone, > so that it won't be lost in the lojbanisation.) The hypothetical derivation of tones from lost finals in Old Chinese would suggest "-x" for Mandarin third tone and "-s" for Mandarin fourth tone (Middle Chinese tones 3 and 5 respectively), but I don't know what to suggest for 1st and 2nd tone. -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org e'osai ko sarji la lojban.