Return-Path: LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@vms.dc.LSOFT.COM Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE (segate.sunet.se [192.36.125.6]) by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id SAA27245 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 18:00:31 +0200 Message-Id: <199512201600.SAA27245@xiron.pc.helsinki.fi> Received: from listmail.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 217B229F ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 17:00:29 +0100 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 11:16:21 -0500 Reply-To: John Cowan Sender: Lojban list From: John Cowan Subject: Re: TECH HARANGUE: LE/LO X-To: Lojban List To: Veijo Vilva In-Reply-To: <199512192225.RAA07633@locke.ccil.org> from "ucleaar" at Dec 19, 95 09:24:52 pm Content-Length: 802 Lines: 23 la .and. cusku di'e > If you & John agree that the > identity of the referent of {le} shd always be known to the speaker, > then I guess we can use John's old method (something about Orwat being > a spy? - it had to do with spies, anyway): > > da zou koa krici leduu da brode (gie da broda) Ortcutt, Bernard J. Ortcutt, a pillar of the community, of whom our hero Ralph is glad to assert "Ortcutt is no spy". The man Ralph has seen sneaking around the defense plant, OTOH, Ralph does believe to be a spy. Unbeknownst to Ralph, these men are one and the same. So: Ralph believes that Ortcutt is a spy (transparent) and Ralph believes that Ortcutt is no spy (opaque) -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org e'osai ko sarji la lojban.