Return-Path: Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tNBr9-0000ZUC; Wed, 6 Dec 95 06:53 EET Message-Id: Received: from listmail.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 9D401A72 ; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 5:53:22 +0100 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 22:50:52 -0600 Reply-To: Steve Hazel Sender: Lojban list From: Steve Hazel Subject: concept vs. object (easy) X-To: lojban@cuvmb.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 956 Lines: 28 coi mi'e stiv a (probably) simple question... I am trying to form a bridi expressing: "This-here-thing is a universe in the domain of the mind, defined by the rules of that-there-thing" the brivla for this bridi is "munje" my first attempt was ti munje le menli ku ta but it occured to me that "le menli ku" would probably be taken to mean "the/a-thing-described-as-a mind" whereas i want it to be more or less an idea of a mind rather than any specific mind or minds is there a way to specify this? the closest i can get is ti menli munje zo'e ta ...making the ambiguous tanru "mind-type-of-universe" half-convey my meaning. what i really want is to say that this-here universe is in the mnd - possibly the mind of the listener, the speaker, or everyone... maybe that's what the origional bridi i came up with meant, but i'd like to be sure that it has that connotation *shrug* Steven Hazel hazel@turing.cs.stedwards.edu e'osai ko sarji la lojban